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| [19:01:39] | <amye> | rszrama: haai. |
| [19:01:46] | <rszrama> | amye: buenos dias |
| [19:02:31] | <amye> | rszrama: You have an agenda, or should we quickly make one up? |
| [19:02:54] | <rszrama> | amye: we can quickly make one up - I outlined the talking points in http://d7uc.org/node/81 |
| [19:04:32] | <amye> | rszrama: wfm. |
| [19:05:17] | <rszrama> | amye: I'm thinking 1. Get everyone on board. 2. Point out issues from the last meeting. 3. See if there are any progress blocking questions to answer from people already planning on taking care of issues. 4. Field questions from newcomers or people who may not know how to get plugged in. 5. Make sure we have good feedback channels for folks doing brainstorming, wireframes, etc. 6. Discuss a more regular IRC check-in and physical |
| [19:05:17] | <rszrama> | opposed to virtual) code sprints. |
| [19:05:44] | <rszrama> | amye: definitely want to use the time to answer any questions, not necessarily needing to rehash all the particulars of the various tickets |
| [19:06:02] | <amye> | Sounds like you have it in hand, really. |
| [19:10:19] | <rszrama> | is there any way to ping everyone in a chat room? is that even necessary? :P |
| [19:12:57] | <mikejoconnor> | rszrama: not that I know of |
| [19:13:08] | <Jody> | roll call. here. |
| [19:13:21] | <rszrama> | that works :) |
| [19:13:28] | <rszrama> | IslandUsurper: you around? |
| [19:13:32] | <IslandUsurper> | yar |
| [19:13:32] | <mikejoconnor> | amye: DamZ IslandUsurper Jody j0rd longwave mwisner slip_o stephthegeek thill tr uberchic univate rszrama: starting |
| [19:13:35] | <IslandUsurper> | just showed up |
| [19:13:35] | <rszrama> | roar |
| [19:13:42] | <amye> | yep. |
| [19:13:44] | <stephthegeek> | oh hey that worked. |
| [19:13:58] | <rszrama> | heh |
| [19:14:05] | <uberchic> | can i stick around anyway ;) |
| [19:14:17] | <rszrama> | that's the point :D |
| [19:14:23] | <rszrama> | lemme hop in #drupal-ubercart real quick |
| [19:14:36] | <uberchic> | not much to say, is all i meant, but am interested in reading along |
| [19:14:57] | <rszrama> | cool deal |
| [19:15:39] | <DamZ> | hehe, hello everyone |
| [19:15:46] | <rszrama> | salut |
| [19:15:46] | <Drupalfr> | hey |
| [19:15:55] | <rszrama> | heh, thanks for joining us, Drupalfr |
| [19:16:22] | <rszrama> | ok, rough agenda up above, looks like only one person has joined since then (welcome, ChubbyDirt) |
| [19:16:38] | <ChubbyDirt> | trying to change my nick... it's mike from switchback... |
| [19:16:39] | <ChubbyDirt> | thx... |
| [19:16:47] | <univate> | hey, I'm also interested in just seeing where things are at, considering its 4am where I'm I can't promise my brain is switched on. |
| [19:16:53] | <rszrama> | I'll just bring up items one by one, let anyone speak, anyone ask questions, and move on... I'm not looking to keep anyone around for a long time :D |
| [19:16:55] | <rszrama> | univate: oh my! |
| [19:17:11] | <rszrama> | univate: no worries; I was up till 4 AM last night and my brain still isn't switched on today :-/ |
| [19:17:28] | <longwave> | hello |
| [19:17:30] | <rszrama> | So, first item: 1) Get everyone on board. :) |
| [19:17:32] | <DamZ> | I'll have to run in about 25 minutes |
| [19:17:33] | <rszrama> | longwave: greets |
| [19:17:43] | <longwave> | not sure who's clocks are wrong here but it's actually 6pm GMT and not 7pm as the topic and site state ;) |
| [19:18:02] | <rszrama> | longwave: d'oh; I knew Daylight Savings Time was going to bite me :-/ |
| [19:18:04] | <mikejoconnor> | oh, hey ChubbyDirt |
| [19:18:13] | <ChubbyDirt> | hiya... |
| [19:18:13] | <mikejoconnor> | thanks for joining us |
| [19:18:15] | <ChubbyDirt> | np |
| [19:18:18] | <IslandUsurper> | and the topic is from the first meeting anyway |
| [19:18:20] | <ChubbyDirt> | thx for having me... |
| [19:18:21] | <DamZ> | it is 7pm Paris time, which is all that matters |
| [19:18:24] | <rszrama> | IslandUsurper: ;) |
| [19:18:52] | <rszrama> | Ok, so this chat room and meeting are a "realignment" for the Ubercore Initiative; it's been mocked up at http://d7uc.org, but that site remains a work in progress. |
| [19:19:05] | <rszrama> | One of the things we'd hoped to do after our initial meeting was clean that up, and it didn't really happen... |
| [19:19:28] | <rszrama> | Does anyone have questions about the Ubercore goals or any particular decisions? |
| [19:20:01] | <rszrama> | fwiw - This is a wide open initiative; meaning the goals, specifications, and processes we use are all up for debate and refinement |
| [19:20:15] | <mikejoconnor> | rszrama: one thing we never cleared up was a discussion on uc2 for d7, the plan was to have another irc meeting for just that subject. I'd like to suggest we schedule that now |
| [19:20:18] | <rszrama> | One thing is certain - we're looking to take a giant leap forward with Drupal based e-commerce on Drupal 7 :) |
| [19:20:22] | <mikejoconnor> | i.e. set a time/date for the meeting |
| [19:20:36] | <mikejoconnor> | so we can make sure we address that issue |
| [19:20:56] | <mikejoconnor> | I'd say monday or tuesday next week, same time |
| [19:20:56] | <uberchic> | i'm confused by the new name still, perhaps you can help clear that up for me |
| [19:21:00] | <rszrama> | mikejoconnor: sure thing; I might tag IslandUsurper with that, as it sounds like he's already scoping out the possibility of a Coder upgrade |
| [19:21:23] | <uberchic> | as in why not just continue calling the project ubercart? |
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| [19:22:02] | <uberchic> | i feel silly asking now, but i would feel even sillier asking later |
| [19:22:08] | <rszrama> | uberchic: sure; the new name reflects primarily the ideas outlined in http://www.bywombats.com/blog/10-22-2009/ubercart-20-and-ubercore-initia... that were better expressed in http://www.ubercart.org/forum/announcements/13802/planning_and_developin... |
| [19:22:26] | <rszrama> | the latter one was published at one point in time and is still accessible to people who have admin access on Ubercart.org |
| [19:22:58] | <rszrama> | I think it does the best job thus far of explaining the goals for Ubercart to be in the application space vs. merely the component module space |
| [19:23:06] | <univate> | I understand the idea of ubercore as being what drupal is for CMS and ubercart now going to be what Open Atrium is, an application that just runs out of the box. |
| [19:23:30] | <rszrama> | univate: I think that's the best future, especially if Ubercart wants to contend against the likes of Magento |
| [19:23:48] | <uberchic> | I have read both, and am curious as to why not to follow the open atrium approach and re-name the shipped package and not the core |
| [19:23:53] | <rszrama> | univate: otherwise there will be that perpetual confusion |
| [19:23:57] | <mikejoconnor> | univate: by abstracting ubercore int oa module vs app, we totally open the door for that |
| [19:24:34] | <uberchic> | and i am all for ubercart continuing to be a streamlined module |
| [19:24:35] | <rszrama> | uberchic: I suppose we could do that; but then what's the point of building up an Ubercart name and brand at all? may as well build up Views or CCK as a stand alone brand as well |
| [19:24:56] | <DamZ> | the core needs to be renamed if we want not to be tied with the history of ubercart |
| [19:25:01] | <DamZ> | *we do not want to be* |
| [19:25:04] | <uberchic> | and why wouldn't we? |
| [19:25:19] | <rszrama> | DamZ: do you mean the existing codebase / revision history? |
| [19:25:19] | <uberchic> | unless it is a totally different project... |
| [19:25:40] | <ChubbyDirt> | access denied for both of those links... |
| [19:25:49] | <DamZ> | rszrama: yes, and the previous design decisions |
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| [19:26:08] | <DamZ> | ubercore is an open process |
| [19:26:09] | <uberchic> | chubbydirt: will publish, for this meeting |
| [19:26:23] | <DamZ> | ubercart is not, anymore |
| [19:26:24] | <ChubbyDirt> | thx |
| [19:26:35] | <rszrama> | ChubbyDirt: my blog link should be fine I think |
| [19:26:36] | <DamZ> | (because there is a lot of history) |
| [19:26:44] | <rszrama> | ChubbyDirt: I just accessed it as anonymous |
| [19:26:46] | <uberchic> | damz: how do you mean |
| [19:27:00] | <rszrama> | just so the discussion doesn't take up too much time, can we offload this question to the forums? |
| [19:27:08] | <ChubbyDirt> | got it... thx |
| [19:27:17] | <uberchic> | which forums? |
| [19:27:18] | <rszrama> | this meeting isn't really a hashing out of issues but more of a realignment / moving forward meeting |
| [19:27:24] | <uberchic> | d7uc or uc,org? |
| [19:27:51] | <DamZ> | uberchic: the name of things matter, and we need a fresh perspective |
| [19:28:14] | <rszrama> | uberchic: I suppose if the question is "why the name Ubercore", a thread on d7uc.org that outlines the problems / questions would be ideal - the idea being that topics in the forums result in documentation changes on the site itself |
| [19:28:37] | <uberchic> | damz: i agree, and this new name is confusing, and implies ties with ubercart |
| [19:28:39] | <rszrama> | aside from naming, does anyone else have any questions about the general goals for Ubercart on D7? |
| [19:29:26] | <mikejoconnor> | uberchic: they are not to competing items. we are building one to improve the other |
| [19:29:57] | <uberchic> | damz, mike: apologies, happy to continue this elsewhere, still confused, but happy to move on |
| [19:30:26] | <rszrama> | alright, moving onto the next item, 2) oint out issues from the last meeting. - one of the key feedback from the last meeting was that people didn't really know how to get involved |
| [19:30:43] | <rszrama> | and some felt like there was already a process in the works that they might have missed or would get left out of |
| [19:30:52] | <rszrama> | so, I just wanted to clear up first that no one's missed anything :) |
| [19:31:22] | <rszrama> | and there's still plenty of room for contribution; in fact, thus far, we've mostly just done brainstorming together, on IRC, on d7uc.org (a LOT of great feedback on fieldable products), and at Drupal Camps and such |
| [19:31:42] | <rszrama> | as for the actual implementation, we boiled down some action items in http://drupal.org/project/issues/ubercore |
| [19:32:18] | <rszrama> | a few people hopped on things; IslandUsurper voiced support for fieldable products, Jody and mikejoconnor for the CA port, DamZ for VCS and TAPIr |
| [19:32:40] | <rszrama> | I'm sure rszrama volunteered for something, but if you look above, you'll remember that his brain is fuzzy like univate's ;) |
| [19:33:14] | <rszrama> | oh, and for those who don't know, univate's awesome handling of UC Recurring was the spark that really ignited this whole initiative - seeing just how quickly that module morphed and how quickly Ubercart was able to move on to a 2.0 w/o UC Recurring in the way |
| [19:33:20] | <rszrama> | so, many thanks, Chris! |
| [19:33:30] | <thill> | uberchic: rszrama mikejoconnor DamZ copied and pasted conversation about naming to d7uc.org forum for further discussion http://d7uc.org/node/82 |
| [19:33:38] | <univate> | thanks ryan |
| [19:33:39] | <rszrama> | thanks, thill |
| [19:34:01] | <rszrama> | looking over the issues, does anyone have any questions about the items we lined up for the month of November? |
| [19:34:14] | <rszrama> | it's obvious they won't be finished, and that's just what we have to work with :D |
| [19:34:49] | <rszrama> | we turned only specific actionable items from our first meeting into issues to prevent the tracker from being insta-filled with every idea for core Ubercart improvements |
| [19:35:21] | <DamZ> | rszrama: IslandUsurper: I think we can go ahead and actually implement the basics of fieldable products now |
| [19:35:33] | <DamZ> | there is a general agreement on the idea |
| [19:35:35] | <rszrama> | +1 |
| [19:35:50] | <rszrama> | DamZ: I'll make it a point to break the [meta] issue into smaller tasks later today |
| [19:36:26] | <rszrama> | DamZ: it would probably behoove us to nail down http://drupal.org/node/616120, your review on #4 would be good to make sure I didn't mess it up :) |
| [19:36:27] | <Drupalfr> | http://drupal.org/node/616120 => VCS Workflow and continuous integration => Ubercore, Code, normal, needs review, 2 IRC mentions |
| [19:37:12] | <longwave> | what is the rationale behind keeping Conditional Actions and not migrating to Rules? |
| [19:37:15] | <DamZ> | rszrama: that sounds perfectly ok |
| [19:37:27] | <DamZ> | longwave: this is still open, we need to discuss with fago |
| [19:37:30] | <DamZ> | and this has not happened yet |
| [19:37:45] | <rszrama> | longwave: I think the rationale was "you can only change so much at once" - yeah, getting in touch w/ fago would be great; as far as I'm concerned, at the very _least_ it should be pluggable |
| [19:37:46] | <longwave> | ah ok |
| [19:37:53] | <DamZ> | longwave: the point is that porting CA to D7 is not a big effort so we will just do it |
| [19:38:21] | <rszrama> | longwave: good question, though :) |
| [19:38:27] | <DamZ> | rszrama: I disagree with the "it should be pluggable" part |
| [19:38:29] | <mikejoconnor> | longwave: we figured we would evaluate the ca vs rules decision when Rules had a d7 version. |
| [19:38:31] | <rszrama> | d'oh |
| [19:38:33] | <DamZ> | we should promote a unified solution |
| [19:38:43] | <IslandUsurper> | DamZ, I agree |
| [19:38:55] | <longwave> | rules is part of the d7cx initiative so it would probably be better to concentrate development efforts in one place ready for d7 launch, imo |
| [19:38:55] | <rszrama> | shot down ^_^ |
| [19:38:56] | <mikejoconnor> | until then, we ca will be an easy port, and allows us to have a decision engine |
| [19:39:04] | <longwave> | but yeah CA port to d7 shouldn't be too much work i agree |
| [19:39:05] | <DamZ> | Drupal needs to have a unique way to do state-based processing and conditional actions |
| [19:39:34] | <DamZ> | longwave: I'm not sure what the status of Rules is |
| [19:39:50] | <DamZ> | longwave: last time I discussed with fago, there was some heavy refactoring going on |
| [19:39:59] | <longwave> | well fago has added the d7cx comment at the top of the module page, but there is no d7 code in cvs yet that i can see |
| [19:40:28] | <rszrama> | yeah, I just browsed the CVS and didn't see anything ready yet |
| [19:40:30] | <IslandUsurper> | porting CA to D7 is probably going to be done well before Rules, but the actual process of porting the CA implementation to Rules shouldn't be that much more effort |
| [19:40:37] | <rszrama> | IslandUsurper: +1 |
| [19:40:40] | <IslandUsurper> | unless this refactoring messes that up |
| [19:40:46] | <mikejoconnor> | ideally it will be done by december 1st :) |
| [19:40:54] | <DamZ> | IslandUsurper: that's my big interrogation mark |
| [19:40:57] | <mikejoconnor> | Jody and I took on that task |
| [19:40:59] | <rszrama> | Jody's on it ^_^ |
| [19:41:08] | <Jody> | Yeah I'm on it this weekend |
| [19:41:09] | <rszrama> | well, and Mike, too ;) |
| [19:41:10] | <DamZ> | then it will be done :) |
| [19:41:16] | <Jody> | Should I ping fago? |
| [19:41:30] | <Jody> | Mike had a bunch of improvements for making ca more exportable |
| [19:41:43] | <Jody> | maybe we should hold off on those things if we're still considering rules |
| [19:41:44] | <rszrama> | not sure we need to have the whole discussion right now; at the very least, we'll need an interim solution until Rules for D7 is ready if we decide to go that route |
| [19:42:02] | <rszrama> | Jody: yeah, we can target the quick port + DamZ's patch (linked in the issue) and hook_hook_info() |
| [19:42:09] | <mikejoconnor> | Jody: I think we should consider that after we have a base version on d7 |
| [19:42:18] | <rszrama> | Jody: I'm not sure how much extra work exportables via ctools are :? |
| [19:42:20] | <Jody> | also I touched base with maarten, a UI whiz, and he's on board to help us with ca ui down the road if we want it |
| [19:42:25] | <rszrama> | rock on |
| [19:42:29] | <DamZ> | Jody: the export will be handled by ctools anyway |
| [19:42:34] | <mikejoconnor> | Jody: I also have a patch in the queue for exporting predicates |
| [19:42:49] | <rszrama> | ahh, speaking of UI help, Bojhan is still interested, probably has time mid-December to do things |
| [19:42:49] | <DamZ> | mikejoconnor: yeah, but sadly this is deprecated by ctools |
| [19:42:53] | <mikejoconnor> | however it doesn't use ctools, so it would require a little bit of modification |
| [19:43:03] | <mikejoconnor> | DamZ: +1 |
| [19:43:06] | <rszrama> | he already threw up a pretty product admin mock-up at http://dl.dropbox.com/u/29125/ubercartproducts.jpg |
| [19:43:26] | <rszrama> | the question he had, and that we'll need to answer for maarten, is where should mock-ups be posted for feedback? |
| [19:43:38] | <DamZ> | d7uc |
| [19:43:41] | <rszrama> | if the issue tracker is reserved for actionable items, then posting them as pictures on d7uc.org where we can comment / review makes sense |
| [19:44:23] | <DamZ> | ok, guys, I need to go, I'll get me up to speed with the logs later on |
| [19:44:24] | <rszrama> | speaking of pictures on d7uc.org, I cot another one of those glorious spam attempts where someone "introduced" himself with pictures of crap he was selling :P |
| [19:44:28] | <mikejoconnor> | I think that we should use d7uc(and irc) for the decision making process, and use the issue queue for actionable items(coding) |
| [19:44:32] | <rszrama> | DamZ: good deal, thanks Damien |
| [19:44:32] | <Jody> | ok, i'll let maarten know |
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| [19:44:49] | <rszrama> | Jody: great, sounds like Pictures on d7uc.org will be good; we can tag 'em for little faux-galleries |
| [19:45:16] | <rszrama> | my hunch is when we arrive at the final mock-up and plan for moving forward, we post the image and any attendant notes in an issue on d.o and get to work |
| [19:46:05] | <rszrama> | if that sounds good, I'll write that up on d7uc.org |
| [19:46:07] | <rszrama> | any feedback there? |
| [19:46:13] | <Jody> | sounds good |
| [19:46:28] | <mikejoconnor> | rszrama: Sounds great to me |
| [19:46:29] | <rszrama> | also, any additional questions regarding open issues? anyone have any blocking issues? or have we all pretty much just been time limited? |
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| [19:46:46] | <rszrama> | zmove: Hi! :) |
| [19:46:49] | <mikejoconnor> | welcom e zmove |
| [19:46:57] | <mikejoconnor> | ugh... extra space in there |
| [19:46:59] | <zmove> | o/ |
| [19:47:13] | <mikejoconnor> | rszrama: We should probably start a discussion on ca vs rules in the forums |
| [19:47:17] | <zmove> | I just saw the post on d7uc.org ^^ |
| [19:47:22] | <rszrama> | zmove: hehe awesome |
| [19:47:26] | <rszrama> | zmove: you can get caught up at http://bot.drupalfr.org/bot/log/d7uc/2009-11-20 |
| [19:47:33] | <rszrama> | (that's a log of the chat thus far) |
| [19:47:41] | <zmove> | excellent |
| [19:48:07] | <thill> | rszrama: starting a forum topic rules vs/and CA |
| [19:48:29] | <rszrama> | right now, we're at a point where the floor is open for any blocking issues |
| [19:48:59] | <rszrama> | for newcomers, a blocking issue of "I don't know where to dive in" is perfectly fine - if you want to get in on some coding, let us know now :) |
| [19:49:45] | <thill> | rszrama: is there a place with tasks, and a "signup sheet" |
| [19:49:55] | <mikejoconnor> | rszrama: on the subject of "diving in", how about you talk about the proposed process of developing ubercore |
| [19:50:44] | <rszrama> | thill: hmm, not really - I think maybe one problem is you have to have something to begin with for people to collaborate on; however, splitting up the [meta] issues on d.o will probably go a long way toward helping that |
| [19:50:49] | <rszrama> | thill: then people can just self-assign issues |
| [19:51:02] | <rszrama> | thill: maybe I'll OmniGraffle a contributor flowchart so people know how to dive in :D |
| [19:52:01] | <rszrama> | mikejoconnor: sure |
| [19:52:17] | <rszrama> | for newcomers again, the pertinent issue to review is http://drupal.org/node/616120 |
| [19:52:18] | <Drupalfr> | http://drupal.org/node/616120 => VCS Workflow and continuous integration => Ubercore, Code, normal, needs review, 3 IRC mentions |
| [19:52:26] | <rszrama> | it discusses how we hope to do collaborative development |
| [19:53:03] | <rszrama> | there will be one main code repository that (thanks to Bazaar) anyone can fork to their local system; there you can work on patches or major systems alone or with others by using Bazaar's merging capabilities |
| [19:53:28] | <rszrama> | Launchpad will allow us to then moderate merge requests from individual contributor branches back to the main branch to roll in the new code |
| [19:53:48] | <rszrama> | however, for anyone who can't get into that process, you can _definitely_ feel free to use CVS and write patches in issues :D |
| [19:53:57] | <rszrama> | Bazaar will _always_ be synched up with CVS |
| [19:54:11] | <mikejoconnor> | at every commit |
| [19:54:18] | <rszrama> | yep |
| [19:54:31] | <mikejoconnor> | so the cvs version of ubercore head will match the bzr version. |
| [19:55:06] | <mikejoconnor> | that way, any drupal developer can dive in to what they know(cvs), however we still get teh advantages of distributed version control |
| [19:55:08] | <rszrama> | so, although we'll do our active collaborative development on Bazaar to take advantage of its branching / merging capabilities, most contributors will get along just fine using CVS and writing patches |
| [19:55:11] | <rszrama> | yep |
| [19:55:29] | <rszrama> | anyone have any basic questions about that? part of the issue I linked above is to boil that down to an easy to use tutorial ;) |
| [19:56:31] | <mikejoconnor> | rszrama: how about the contributing process. i.e. who has commit rights, etc. |
| [19:56:42] | <mikejoconnor> | rszrama: my understanding thus far is we are modeling it after drupal |
| [19:56:46] | <rszrama> | mikejoconnor: sure, same model we have now, aping Drupal |
| [19:57:07] | <alpritt> | rszrama: Is there any code yet? |
| [19:57:26] | <rszrama> | alpritt: the million dollar question... nope, just wireframed directory structure |
| [19:57:40] | <rszrama> | alpritt: the main code for this sprint is due in the CA port and the basic fieldable product entity |
| [19:58:11] | <rszrama> | IslandUsurper: in response to alpritt, you were investigating Code for UC 7.x-2.x? is there a repo for that, and is that definitely moving forward? |
| [19:58:34] | <IslandUsurper> | I haven't made a branch for it, no. But Andy definitely wants me to work on that |
| [19:58:39] | <rszrama> | ok |
| [19:58:54] | <rszrama> | well, at least CA should be done for you :D |
| [19:58:59] | <IslandUsurper> | mostly I'm waiting on coder's upgrade module to make it a lot easier |
| [19:59:03] | <rszrama> | +5 |
| [19:59:13] | <alpritt> | Okay so no real repo to pull from yet then. |
| [19:59:16] | <rszrama> | I'll leave it up to you to announce when that dev starts, ya ken? |
| [19:59:29] | <IslandUsurper> | hok |
| [19:59:33] | <rszrama> | alpritt: well, you can grab what's there through Launchpad; one sec |
| [19:59:47] | <rszrama> | alpritt: https://launchpad.net/uc |
| [20:00:18] | <alpritt> | rszrama: aha, thanks |
| [20:00:20] | <rszrama> | alpritt: https://code.launchpad.net/~ryan-szrama/uc/main |
| [20:00:36] | <rszrama> | that's the main branch; grab the latest Bazaar and it comes w/ the Launchpad plugin enabled :D |
| [20:00:42] | <rszrama> | it's as easy as bzr branch lp:uc |
| [20:01:13] | <rszrama> | that will log your branches through Launchpad, too, to make it easy to have moderated merge requests through their system |
| [20:01:32] | <rszrama> | it's quite awesome; the UI is pretty barebones, so we'll have it docced via node/616120 above |
| [20:02:00] | <alpritt> | okay, will investigate. |
| [20:02:18] | <rszrama> | sweet - feel free to chime in on that issue if the workflow we've lined up sounds contrived or could use other improvement |
| [20:03:38] | <rszrama> | Ok, so we're pushing an hour, so we can try to wrap up - does anyone have any feedback on issues keeping them from getting involved (besides the lack of code)? I can focus my efforts on doing things that make it clear for people to know how to contribute and where the process currently is |
| [20:04:14] | <alpritt> | rszrama: okay. It looks good though. |
| [20:04:17] | <rszrama> | Also, I'm quite open to a regular IRC check-in if anyone else is up for it... Mondays of the weeks we don't have planning / review meetings planned perhaps :? |
| [20:04:20] | <rszrama> | alpritt: cool :) |
| [20:04:52] | <zmove> | yes, but not on french eat time :) |
| [20:04:58] | <rszrama> | zmove: hah! good point :D |
| [20:05:07] | <rszrama> | zmove: what time to people normally do dinner over there? |
| [20:05:14] | <mikejoconnor> | rszrama: you've talked a bit about hte development process, but arguably the more important item is the feature list/roadmap, and how to take part in the decision making process that happens before the developers get an issue to work on |
| [20:05:19] | <zmove> | You all know how eat is important for french people |
| [20:05:29] | <rszrama> | ^_^ |
| [20:05:41] | <rszrama> | so important that one of the first French Ubercart sites was for food :D |
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| [20:05:49] | <rszrama> | (if not _the_ first ;)) |
| [20:05:52] | <zmove> | true ^^ |
| [20:05:55] | <mikejoconnor> | i.e. we are working on ca and products right now, but we need to finish outlining the goals of orders, checkout, etc |
| [20:06:17] | <mikejoconnor> | otherwise we won't be able to start coding during the next sprint |
| [20:06:30] | <rszrama> | mikejoconnor: true dat; there's an issue in the queue for orders at least; perhaps that's what the regular IRC meeting can be used to discuss? |
| [20:06:50] | <mikejoconnor> | rszrama: that would be good. |
| [20:07:00] | <rszrama> | zmove: Damien has suggested 7 PM GMT in the past for meetings; is that a good time for you, or would later be better? |
| [20:07:12] | <zmove> | It's a joke, it's good for me |
| [20:07:16] | <mikejoconnor> | rszrama: we also discussed using the forums, and publishing some specs on d7uc *before* we start writing the code |
| [20:07:25] | <rszrama> | mikejoconnor: exactly |
| [20:07:27] | <rszrama> | zmove: hehe ok |
| [20:07:40] | <zmove> | Monday will be the burger in front of my PC day |
| [20:07:45] | <rszrama> | lol |
| [20:07:58] | <rszrama> | zmove: oh, if we do a physical code sprint in Paris, would you be up for it? ;) |
| [20:08:23] | <rszrama> | that was the last item; physical sprints - we discussed them in San Fran, didn't lay any plans |
| [20:09:01] | <rszrama> | there's been a potential proposal for a week long sprint in Paris the first week of Feb.; my hunch is we can do one there and one in North America, but we'd have to be very prepared to take advantage of all that time and effort |
| [20:09:15] | <zmove> | really ? |
| [20:09:33] | <uberchic> | rszaram: simultaneous? |
| [20:09:37] | <mikejoconnor> | rszrama: we would definitely need some good project management before we fly 10 people to paris |
| [20:09:37] | <zmove> | Hmm, in Feb I would probably have time to come |
| [20:09:59] | <rszrama> | uberchic: nah, definitely not simultaneous |
| [20:10:10] | <mikejoconnor> | uberchic: I'd rather have to separate sprints, but it wouldn't hurt to have remote sprinters during each sprint |
| [20:10:13] | <rszrama> | uberchic: I figure the N.A. one could be mid March or something |
| [20:10:45] | <uberchic> | rszrama: thanks for the clarification, and sorry for the previous misspelling |
| [20:10:55] | <rszrama> | ^_^ |
| [20:11:28] | <rszrama> | zmove: alright, well, we'll keep those on the table and see what materializes; it'd be great for money to magically appear to sponsor all this effort :D |
| [20:11:50] | <rszrama> | will pursue that of course, but if nothing else I'll make Mike fly me around |
| [20:12:20] | <IslandUsurper> | won't that make his arms really tired? |
| [20:12:34] | <mikejoconnor> | rszrama: it will |
| [20:12:38] | <mikejoconnor> | err |
| [20:12:40] | <mikejoconnor> | IslandUsurper: it will |
| [20:12:43] | <IslandUsurper> | :) |
| [20:12:46] | <rszrama> | hehe |
| [20:12:57] | <mikejoconnor> | I have a conditioned response for rs[tab] |
| [20:13:12] | <rszrama> | ok, any final questions? I'm definitely still psyched about the work, and people at DrupalCamp Austin were excited, too |
| [20:13:44] | <uberchic> | see everyone again monday then? |
| [20:14:06] | <zmove> | My phone is already programmed to remind it to me |
| [20:14:10] | <rszrama> | hehe |
| [20:14:17] | <rszrama> | great, and we'll go for actual 7 PM GMT instead of 1 PM EST |
| [20:14:32] | <IslandUsurper> | so, an hour later, right? |
| [20:14:48] | <zmove> | was hard to read log and follow the chat at the same time, I will come to 7PM exactly next time |
| [20:14:49] | <rszrama> | I'm not anticipating anything long then; it should be a quickie check-in unless everyone gets all the work done over the weekend :P |
| [20:14:56] | <rszrama> | zmove: great :) |
| [20:15:00] | <uberchic> | IslandUsurper: basically now, just on monday |
| [20:15:08] | <IslandUsurper> | ok. making sure |
| [20:15:11] | <zmove> | 7 or 8PM so ? |
| [20:15:44] | <rszrama> | next meeting's goal will be to review this meeting's notes, answer remaining questions, get people plugged in, and hold discussion on the order object and checkout system (I think... view the sprint notes on d7uc.org) |
| [20:15:53] | <rszrama> | zmove: what time is it for you right now? |
| [20:15:59] | <zmove> | 8 |
| [20:16:12] | <rszrama> | zmove: ok, are you GMT + 1 or GMT? |
| [20:16:19] | <zmove> | GMT+1 ATM |
| [20:16:22] | <rszrama> | kk |
| [20:16:44] | <zmove> | ok yes, 7 GMT, so 8 for me, sorry friday is not the best day to think ^^ |
| [20:16:46] | <rszrama> | so, 8 PM for you, 2 PM for EST, 11 AM for our Pacific buddies, and maybe we can schedule a special session later in the day for univate ;) |
| [20:17:03] | <zmove> | monday is a good choice in fact ^^ |
| [20:17:07] | <rszrama> | great |
| [20:18:12] | <zmove> | not a CA vs rules, the discussion has begin but seems not finished isn't it ? |
| [20:18:38] | <zmove> | or I miss something by reading the log very quickly |
| [20:18:40] | <univate> | yeah I think I will mostly be following the issue queues and forums. |
| [20:18:49] | <zmove> | ok |
| [20:19:32] | <rszrama> | zmove: yeah, the jury's still out on that question - a simple CA port to D7 needs to happen regardless, so we'll knock that out and use it until a D7 Rules materializes that we can evaluate |
| [20:20:30] | <zmove> | ok, don't you think a fago invitation to a chat could help us to take a decision before seeing the first 7.x dev ? |
| [20:21:00] | <rszrama> | zmove: definitely |
| [20:21:19] | <zmove> | In fact, an invitation to all module maintainer we plan to integrate would be nice |
| [20:22:56] | <rszrama> | +1 |
| [20:23:15] | <rszrama> | I'll see if amye is up for doing some of that correspondence unless you already have good communication with them |
| [20:24:27] | <zmove> | Not specially, but I'm not antisocial ^^ |
| [20:25:39] | <rszrama> | ^_^ |
| [20:26:28] | <rszrama> | alrighty, well, if anyone's still following along, we can consider the meeting adjourned... definitely feel free to keep chatting or asking questions as they come... I'm about 2 hours overdue for lunch here and might cut out in a few ;) |
| [20:28:31] | <zmove> | Ok for me, see you monday |
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| [20:32:11] | <rszrama> | alright, heading out for a bit while I eat... bbl |
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| [20:41:26] | <mikejoconnor> | Sorry, I had to step out for a phone call |
| [20:41:34] | <mikejoconnor> | but it looks like things went well |
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